The New 12” Coil

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

Posted on November 22, 2020 @ 12:33 PM

The long awaited 12” is getting close to being released and should be out before the end of the year. A LOT of R&D has gone into this coil and Dimitar wanted to make sure it was PERFECT before releasing it. So far testing shows it is hitting a nickel at 16” in saltwater and that is in disc mode. This coil will put the Tarsacci’s value and performance well into the high dollar P.I. realm, and get the Tarsacci the respect it deserves.
Dimitar has not released a price yet however for those who really NEED it, it won’t matter.

If you are seriously interested in ordering one, let me know.

Aaron

 

 

 

tccoats@gmail.com

Yeah, let's go !
Fort Collins, Colorado

Joined Nov 24 2020

Posted on November 24, 2020 @ 6:38 PM

Hello Aaron,

I'm a new Tarsacci owner, but not new to the detecting world. YES, I'm interested (make that, YES, I want one) of the new 12" coils. I can imagine lots of applications.

Thanks

Colorado Chris

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on November 25, 2020 @ 6:34 AM

I know as a start up company..... there has to be hesitation as to how many can i sell.  IMO ... having this larger coil may sell a few more machines.  I would like to see him sell the machine with a coil option for obvious reasons.   Its a balancing act.... sell another machine... or will they pay for both?  For those who have the machine and standard coil and beach hunt this will be a reasonable by as opposed to buying a NEW machine.   Also some just like coverage..... and i hear this coil doesnt make it crazy nose heavy.   Yet .... he doesnt have the mold he intends on using.  Hopefully we will get a sneak peak of the coil once he gets the mold.   Some beach hunters dont care as much about depth as coverage..... and for some reason feel they NEED a 12" or larger coil.   Me.... im a depth and sensitivity guy.  I dont like leaving gold lol.  If we are gaining a couple of inches ... the coil moves well in the water (hopefully a little thicker ears).... isnt heavy.... good coverage it will be worth the price tag.   Like Aaron said this will put it in the range of most PIs.... but with the advantage of tones and TID.  THATS why we choose a VLF most of the time anyway.  Here in Fl we have a long RECENT DROP period.... and a PI can be time consuming.

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 7:43 AM

Dimitar is keeping most of the 12” coil info “close to his vest”, so I cannot really comment on too much other than he IS listening and applying what he’s learned from the first coil. And yes Dew, your correct about the issue regarding coverage. If people are looking to buy the 12” for coverage, their buying it for the wrong reason. The 12” is being developed for one reason only DEPTH, and also to compete with (and out perform) the P.I.units that cost considerably more that the Tarsacci. Hopefully this will finally get people to stop comparing the MDT to the detectors that are half the price and half the performance....

Aaron

ozzie

Nothing Fancy, Just Plain, Easy and Simple...Oh Yea, Handsome Too
South East Pennsylvania, U.S.A.

Joined Jul 22 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 10:16 AM

What are the chances of a deep 6" or 4" coil being produced? The standard coil separates well wonder how the small coil would do.

weldingforum

United kindom
uk

Joined Nov 28 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 12:44 PM

ok 

so first off, Hi, I am new to this forum

 

before I post my reply, let me give you a basic insight to my personality 

I was born deslexic, I play devils advicit to a lot of times, not to be negative, but to just cut to the chase and do away with the white paper, its how I have learnt to learn MY WAY 

 

with that said,

So before the launch of the 12" coil, we heard the Tarsaci was deeper than ANY VLF in mid to high min soil/ground 

 

That was with the stock 11 x 9 coil 

 

so my deslexic mind is asking the question, ???? if the 11 x 9 was the designers coil of choice, and produced the deepest VLF detector in mid to high min conditions, WHY make a coil that is only 1/2 longer in lentgh at each end (one inc in total ????

 

its been said its for coverage, but that does not make sence to me???  the one inc is minimal 

 

the side ways sweep matters not, as you can simply sweep the 11 x 9 that extra 1.5 inc with each sweep 

 

I just dont get it !!!!

 

before you try and bore me with the sciance, I am a member of the geotec detecing forum and I have a renobable understanding of detectors and the coils 

 

so why the 12" DD ????  

 

was it a public Demand thing 

 

as I said, I wright as I see things, stright, honest and to the point 

 

I simply wish to understand the reason for the extra inch of length 

 

not wishing to offend anyone (its a shame I have to make excuses for how my mind works, but no worries)

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

In reply to by ozzie
Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 12:56 PM

Steve,

Dimitar is planning on developing a smaller coil however his main focus (right now) is on the 12” and getting it released. When he does, he’s planning on starting the R&D on the small coil. 
 

Aaron

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 1:15 PM

Welding forum,

To properly answer your question you need to understand the TARSACCI’s Multi Domain Technology, and to really appreciate that you need to operate the machine. It does not run like a VLF or a pulse. It’s a hybrid of both. 
Those who’ve ran the TARSACCI are surprised to find out how well the big stock coil actually runs in heavy iron when usually only the smaller coils would work in that type of environment. 
So regarding the 12” coil and “why it isnt bigger?” Actually it is, and so is the performance. For the beach hunters this is great news as there will be A LOT less weight to swing. Dimitar who is a beach hunter, designed it for optimal performance and for one main thing DEPTH, not coverage. It’s going to be a fantastic coil......for those who NEED it.

 

Aaron

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 2:46 PM

Im a beach hunter and have been following/pushing for this size and design coil for some time.   I dont dirt hunt and we have some pretty mild sand here in Fl.   So we get very good depth as it is with the standard and for the most part with a couple of exceptions can hang in there with a PI.  TID and tones gives us that added advantage of not as much time wasting digging trash or iron.   Im in the water most of the time where this machine with its salt setting give us a nice advantage.  That 12" coil im told may give us an additional 2"..... thats HUGE if true for 1 more inch.  ML couldnt get that with their 15" coil which looses a good bit of that in the salt water if you can push it around out there.  The coil ears im told will be more in the center.... which should make it more balanced and move easier in the water.   Honestly if i had my way water coils would be 9" and 12".  Like you i ask the hard questions and OFFEND i guess some times.   In this case i guess you will have the weight what you think might be any advantages...... if not then it just not cot effective for you.   As a salt water hunter if i can push around a 12" and gain 2" thats crazy good depth.  You start talking 16" on a 3 gram ring or the depth mentioned on a nickel..... im in.   We have one more advantage over say relic hunter..... we pay for our equipment fairly quickly.  I dont think Dimitar has hyped this machine .... thus far she treated me well.    It wont be worth it to everyone..... just like buying it over say the cheaper Nox.  That said ive seen more who watched it end up buying one..... and ive not seen a lot of negative posts when i comes to performance vs price.  Frankly its right there in the ball park with the Xcal.... and needs no mods with and additional 6 mos warranty.

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 4:50 PM

Agreed. I’ve hunted w the Equinox w a 15” coil on Cocoa Beach and after a couple hours that nose heavy coil gets really old. I much rather be swinging a far  smaller/balanced coil, that gets better depth, handles salt better and ID’s at depth. 
The MDT has been out for 2 years now. Most people haven’t even paid any attention to it until recently and that’s due to the informative videos that some of us have published that’s finally opened the eyes and interest of the critics who,,,,,are curiously Tarsacci owners now. If it wasn’t for “hype” like that,,,Dimitar probably would not be bothering with the 12” coil.

Aaron

Diggin Dude

Dig we must !
New York

Joined Aug 28 2020

Posted on November 28, 2020 @ 9:10 PM

I’m excited! 👍👍

Dave.H

South West UK

Joined Jul 14 2020

Posted on November 29, 2020 @ 6:12 AM

The 12" Coil is undoubtedly going to be a great addition for the beach and water hunters, I'm sure this will be very popular amongst many.

Im now getting excited about the future development of the "smaller Coil", for searching any trashy site, OH YES.... can't imagine how great this could be!! ..... Personally a 9" round Coil would be perfect!

Dave.

weldingforum

United kindom
uk

Joined Nov 28 2020

Posted on November 29, 2020 @ 6:16 AM

Well This critic has ordered him self a machine !!!

 

I hunt EXCLUSIVLEY UK beaches 

and in perticular, one Uk beach 

I run a Sov with a array of coils to suit the conditions I find my beach at 

15" wot

12" Nel

12"x10 sef 

10" tornado

8" tornado 

 

The beach I hunt is VERY noisy, 

I run in AM and flick to disc once I find a target I like the sound off in AM

if the Sov is able to tone id it and its not iron, I dig 

if it get NO iron or tone id in disc, but get it in AM, I did 

 

I do like my Sov, but it is noisy, Even in AM 

 

I recently had reason to travel south and took my sov with me, long story short

The Sov ran like a differant detector, NOT to my supprise, as I know to well, its all about were you run a machine, 

this perticular beach was probably simular to the beaches of LA

a MASSIVE differance to my chossen beach 

 

so I hope I have good things to report back to you guys once I give the Tarsacci a FAIR few tips to my difficult beach and oonce I am happy to say, I have a resonable understanding of my new detector 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on November 29, 2020 @ 6:59 AM

Good luck.  There is  a learning curve.... but to me it was a fun and impressive time.  I also hunt in AM..... HERE, i can run full sensitivity and threhold just like an Xcal.  In the water once you figure out you salt balance..... i just have to move it up a few notches going from fluffy sand out there to more of a hard pan.   In the salt water ..... clearly 9khz works best.... but 6.5 does well.   12 and 18 i rarely use because to get them to run quit you have to go way up in SB digits.  Like Aaron showed you can loose foil as you increase it..... that to me means a loss of weaker MAYBE small gold.  Also i find it chops the signals so you can miss near targets and i didnt find a lot of depth advantage.  AM has less modulation .... meaning you can tell size easily but most targets sound louder so TID to me tends to be about the same when switching over to disc.   BUT.... much like the Xcal you dont get all those  pings and pongs or false tones.   In the water you get pops.... those are your false reading, but over a target.... you know it.   out of the water i use 12khz mostly.... but still AM since you do have a TID screen..... and yes with all that power its jumpy.... but again over a target you know it.   What it may do is pick up small bits of iron.... much like running some machines to hot in a field and you pick up hot rocks.   Or even like the Sov if not set right.   Hope you enjoy the machine..... take some time to enjoy it.

Rivers rat

UNITED KINGDOM

Joined Sep 28 2020

Posted on November 29, 2020 @ 6:07 PM

WF i am sure you gonna have fun with the MDT ,i had very good depth with it on the beach,no gold yet but tomorrow is the day!

 

 

RR

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on November 30, 2020 @ 7:11 AM

Last time i spoke with Dimitar he really had no desire to do a small coil.   Hopefully hes changed his mind.   I like the idea of a 9" as well..... ive always thought that size gave the best of both worlds...... sensitivity and separation.   You may loose a little depth..... but in trashy areas you tend to pick thru targets easier and at the end of the day you get surprised by your finds.

weldingforum

United kindom
uk

Joined Nov 28 2020

In reply to by Dewcon4414
Posted on November 30, 2020 @ 7:33 AM

Well

I am not to sure if there will be a big benefit from the elliptical coil all ready as standard on the tarsacci to a 9" 

 

A elliptical coil searches in a small cat eye shape patter as it is

 

Don't forget the pattern will diminish as its goes from the coil to its maximum depth 

 

A 8inc coil would only really benefit on shallow targets 

 

And in my opinion it would be minimal 

 

I personally would rather see the efforts go into making a software update 

 

One that allows a storage of preferred settings 

Keith Southern

MOD

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on November 30, 2020 @ 9:32 AM

It want 6 inch or so to show off in heavy industrial age iron.

you may find a 9 mask  more than the stock?

Keith

weldingforum

United kindom
uk

Joined Nov 28 2020

Posted on December 9, 2020 @ 1:39 PM

End of the year is not far away 

 

any one got any new news on the 12" coil ???

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on December 9, 2020 @ 2:59 PM

I keep telling Dimitar........ i need a stocking stuffer or a Christmas gift.   I dont know how many of these he may sell...... but i hope he at least makes one for me..... you other guys fend for yourselves lol.   Dieing to see how much depth and TID he could squeeze out of an inch more coil.   Got a few chains i want to test as well to see where it stands there.   As quality control for most NEW water detectors ..... i promise not to break anything and ill put in the time.  Be gentle on me price wise lol.

Diggin Dude

Dig we must !
New York

Joined Aug 28 2020

In reply to by Keith Southern
Posted on December 9, 2020 @ 9:56 PM

I agree with Keith !    6” important to me due iron trashy areas.   I will get the 12” for the beach though 😃

Aaron

TOP MOD
Michigan

Joined May 20 2020

Posted on December 10, 2020 @ 12:51 AM

Dew, the way things are looking, I doubt the 12” is coming out this month. As far as price, sorry it’s NOT going to be cheap. As I said before it’s a specialty coil for those that NEED it. Regarding a small coil, that’s going to be quite a ways down the road....

Aaron

SLGuin

US Midwest

Joined Sep 6 2020

Posted on December 11, 2020 @ 7:00 AM

A smaller coil and a closed foam core instead of open epoxy fill would be nice to reduce weight and snagging for hunting those junky places on land.

Truly, it would be interesting to see how this detector operates with a smaller coil. Using the small elliptical on the Gold Racer completely changes the character of the machine. More so than any other I have used a small coil on. If a slightly smaller coil on the Tarsacci worked like that it would really pick around in trash well and be quite sensitive to small without giving up much useful depth.

Useful depth is the operative phrase here to me. In very trashy places, more depth puts more trash and soil in view as well as good targets, but for my particular style of hunting that is counter productive. The Tarsacci is already surprisingly good at picking targets out of trash with the stock coil, a smaller coil that is easier to skim ground with could be a game changer.

Keith, Why would a 9" mask more than stock? Do you mean a 9" round? An 8-9" long ellipse would seem like a nice size to pick through pretty heavy trash without being overly small. I prefer elliptical coils but have no idea why, they just seem to separate a little better for me.

There is a notion that the stock coil is the size and shape that it is because of the unique architecture of the detector. Perhaps that will create some limitation on what coils will ever be available for this machine. Dunno, the thing works fantastic as it is so one can only imagine if it were optimized for other purposes with a selection of coils.

Dewcon4414

Florida

Joined May 27 2020

Posted on December 13, 2020 @ 6:50 AM

We are dealing with two types of hunters who want or have this machine....... relic/dirt and beach.   Both would like different coils of course.   Aaron..... i didnt expect it to be cheap.   BUT.... the ML ones arent either.   At least us beach hunters can pay for it faster.   It could well make the difference right now between putting out cash for an AQ or this coil for some.   Id much rather pay for a coil vs a new machine with the advantage of TID/tones and loose SOME depth. 

weldingforum

United kindom
uk

Joined Nov 28 2020

Posted on December 13, 2020 @ 7:11 AM

From what I have seen about the AQ, I am not a fan!!!

not so much because its not a deep detector, BUT i cant abide by dishonesty

There was/is a lot of talk and videos trying to show convince the AQ can discrim iron 

its not differant from any other PI as far as I can see, 

 

I own a whites TDi Beachhunter, 

On my beach at least, I would not recommend it

the ONLY advantage I see of the TDi over the Tarsacci, is it is a little more water prof and if I was to get water in the TDi over the Tarsacci, I wouldnt care as much lol 

SLGuin

US Midwest

Joined Sep 6 2020

Posted on December 14, 2020 @ 1:57 PM

Of course it is obvious that different hunters and styles of hunting would create a demand for different coils. Coil selections are a frequent factor when even considering purchase of detector by many. Lots of things enter into a personal choice of favorite coil, some of them even make sense.

For me it is simply a sense of being forced out of the water. Here there are so many hunters now that bad ground, heavy junk, and EMI are attractive just to get away from the competition. There is no ocean here, the beaches are small and easy to cover well. There are no secret places, there is only where most choose not to hunt.

The Tarsacci has allowed me to go places I have always wanted to go but could not. It is easy to tell when someone figured it out before me, but there is lots of ground left to cover now with this kind of capability. This MDT is one of dozens of detectors I have had over the decades, and the one I like best. A coil as I described above would sure be nice, but it works pretty darn well as is with only a sling to take some of the weight off the nose.

I will not speak ill of any other choice of detector, but for me this one just works. I will be sticking with it despite the lack of accessory coils, and be grateful for what it will do. This is as close as a detector has ever come to doing both exactly what was claimed for it and what I wanted it to do when I bought it. It may very well be the last detector I ever buy.